April 2, 1978: An over 30-year-old rare interview with Captain Crunch, the notorious phone phreak/early hacker-activist John Draper.

 

April 2, 1978: An over 30-year-old rare interview with Captain Crunch, the notorious phone phreak/early hacker-activist John Draper.

He demonstrates his "high-resolution color graphics computer" that cost $1,500 at the time, an early video game (Lunar Lander), and discusses his travails with the phone industry that landed him in jail.

He also demonstrates an early auto-dialer Apple computer program -- loaded via audiocassette. He used this program to discover AT&T's remob ("remote observation") program that was used to tap civilian phone lines.

Trivia: shot in the conference room of Henson Associates -- Muppet HQ -- in NYC. This is part two of a three-part interview. The first and third tapes were lost, suspected stolen just one day after the producer interviewed a representative from AT&T, then the telephone monopoly, when a "telephone repair man" made an unscheduled visit to the Muppet conference room where the tapes were stored.

Producer & Interviewer: Joe Tripician

Excerpted footage used in the PBS show "Borders"